tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7760102.post586470858034646207..comments2023-07-02T22:13:53.050+12:00Comments on Theo Geek: Hilasterion in Romans 3:25Andrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01904922191977808104noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7760102.post-36470035846980383362018-09-10T00:16:59.547+12:002018-09-10T00:16:59.547+12:00Hi Andrew,
This is Daniel Bailey here. I have lon...Hi Andrew,<br /><br />This is Daniel Bailey here. I have long been grateful for your excellent published summary and analysis on this site in 2007 of my dissertation, "Jesus as the Mercy Seat: The Semantics and Theology of Paul's Use of Hilasterion in Romans 3:25" (PhD diss., Cambridge, 1999). However, it seems you could have written based solely on my dissertation summary of the same title in Tyndale Bulletin (2000), since all the primary source references you cite or allude to (i.e., without the references) are included there.<br /><br />My Cambridge dissertation is now available for free download from the Cambridge University Library: Simply google "Bailey" and "Hilasterion" or follow this link:<br /><br />This record's DOI:<br />https://doi.org/10.17863/CAM.17213<br /><br />However, while I never published the dissertation as such, I have now written an extensive analysis of the problem in about 23,000 words and have appended it as a final chapter in my translation of Peter Stuhlmacher, Biblical Theology of the New Testament (Eerdmans, 2018). Title: "Biblical and Greco-Roman Uses of Hilasterion in Romans 3:25 and 4 Maccabees 17:22 (Codex S)."<br /><br />The Stuhlmacher book was supposed to be available by Aug. 16, but in fact I have not seen it yet and expect my first copy will arrive later this week (today is a Sunday).<br /><br />I would be happy to scan a copy of my Stuhlmacher Hilasterion essay to you, if you have an email address.<br /><br />Perhaps if you are a member of SBL, you can use that site to find my email address: <br /><br />https://www.sbl-site.org/<br /><br />I actually saw that you have written a book recently and therefore I saw your initials and surname, but I lost the link and cannot find it again. Perhaps you could forward the book name to me.<br /><br />If all else fails, I can probably post my email address here, as I don't expect too many hackers will be looking for it here.<br /><br />Please advise,<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br />Dan BaileyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923163572653542457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7760102.post-31268751491422178112008-08-01T08:45:00.000+12:002008-08-01T08:45:00.000+12:00I'm not sure if anyone has ever posted this questi...I'm not sure if anyone has ever posted this question in light of "Christ Jesus presented by God as the mercy seat" (which to be perfectly up front about - I am completely convinced that is what Rom 3:25 is saying). But, the sprinkling of blood on the mercy seat in the Old Covenant contains an interesting view from Hebrews 13:20. The final benediction of the writer to the Hebrews states in verse 20 of chapter 13(, and I quote from the NIV):"May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep," If Jesus, himself, needed the sinless blood that he, himself, had shed to become "the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep", could not the sprinkling of the blood on the mercy seat have meant something far more significant than simply the expiation of sins, since the second goat (the goat of Azazel) carried away into the wilderness the sins of the nation confessed over it by the high priest - just as Jesus bore our sin to hell and depositted it there?Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10193993270356426002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7760102.post-11984843224315943622008-06-03T09:25:00.000+12:002008-06-03T09:25:00.000+12:00Dear Theo Geek... Greetings to you today in the na...Dear Theo Geek... Greetings to you today in the name of the Risen LORD JESUS CHRIST... the same yesterday, today, and forever. Amen and thankfully so. <BR/><BR/>Your article on HILASTERION is refreshingly honest scholarship. I am working on that word myself with a couple of linguists. <BR/><BR/>I have discovered that the Oxford English Dictionary is quite useful in this project. <BR/><BR/>HILASTERION is closer to the archaic meaning of HILL than to HILARIOUS. HILL, in days of old, meant to cover something. <BR/><BR/>Oddly enough, Kapporeth and kippur, from the Hebrew, means the same thing. <BR/><BR/>I suspect that the confusion came in with the Latin Vulgate and the translations which used it either totally or partially, like Tyndale's English version.<BR/><BR/>The Latin Vulgate has ORACULI in it in a few places (one being Exodus 25:18). It is in the place of Luther's<BR/> "gnadenstuhle" or MERCY SEAT (which is the Septuagint's HILASTERION). <BR/><BR/>Sometimes, the Latin uses expiat...(and a variety of endings)in these verses.<BR/><BR/>The Latin also uses propitiator... (and a variety of endings) for that word ... and thus, the English translations picked it up FROM THE LATIN. <BR/><BR/>The English translations also use ATONEMENT for HILASTERION. <BR/><BR/>So we see a strange connection of Kippor/Kapporeth--Hilasterion--Propitiation/Expiation/Oraculi-- mercy seat/ atonement in the texts. <BR/><BR/>These words SEEM to be used interchangably, much to the confusion of everybody. <BR/><BR/>If we stick to the Hebrew (i.e., to cover), we might get a better understanding of HILASTERION...<BR/>especially since it was used to name the golden lid WHICH COVERED the Ark (chest or box)of the Covenant. <BR/><BR/>Since GOD'S covenants are always ratified by blood (animal sacrifices, circumcision, JESUS' Blood), it would be logical to have the HILASTERION sprinkled with sacrificial Blood, n'est-ce pas? <BR/><BR/>Once we are IN the Covenant of GOD, we are COVERED indeed by HIS+ Blood. <BR/><BR/>These are my thoughts... but I stand open to correction and more honest scholarship. Indeed, I would welcome it! <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Thank you for your time and consideration. <BR/><BR/>Sister Judith Hannah<BR/><BR/>Order of the GOOD SHEPHERD+ <BR/>(a non-Roman order of just plain Christians) <BR/> <BR/>PS... Please contact me at srjudhan@yahoo.com if you have any elucidations from the language perspective.Sister Judith Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714408290038621459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7760102.post-50193300660039114942008-06-02T06:08:00.000+12:002008-06-02T06:08:00.000+12:00I linked to your blog at www.stgeorgechristchurchs...I linked to your blog at www.stgeorgechristchurchstpaul.net.<BR/>I found this discussion very helpful in preparing my sermon this week.<BR/>Kind regards,<BR/>Robert Stanier<BR/>(a priest in South East London, UK)Noticeboardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06409791895731491020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7760102.post-46298466443574050332008-04-01T16:33:00.000+13:002008-04-01T16:33:00.000+13:00Jesus demonstrated the righteousness of God by giv...Jesus demonstrated the righteousness of God by giving His life on the cross. The cross is similar to the hilasteron or mercy seat of the ot. This is where one took their sacred and gave it to God at the hilasteron. Jesus said if you want to have life you will give up your (psyche or essence or life). By trust or faith we embrace the demonstration of Christ and the fitting exchange(reward) is life as it was in the otjimrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15956280171229435888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7760102.post-73532468552307330872008-03-19T04:53:00.000+13:002008-03-19T04:53:00.000+13:00About the use of "hilasterion" I think Paul was ta...About the use of "hilasterion" I think Paul was talking about the mercy seat (literally propitiatory seat), was where God's presence was (as mentioned). At the mercy seat, propitiation was offered only for a short time; in the New Testament, propitiation was displayed at the cross. In the NASB, Romans 3:25 says that God displayed Christ publically as a propitiation in His blood through faith. Contextually, Christ is the only propitiation for those who realize that they cannot make themselves right before the Holy God. Time to start a paper!<BR/><BR/>Michiel, I appreciate your inciteful comments! But how is it possible that Jesus' blood covers the sin of the whole world? Yes, based off of 1 John 4:14, He was sent to be the Savior of the world (literally kosmos). But how can be the case if there are sinners perishing in eternal hellfire currently? <BR/>Is the blood of Jesus efficacious? ABSOLUTELY! But only for those who God enables to turn from their sin and trust in the Savior. More to come...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03466690923498307549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7760102.post-17528593514736828892007-07-23T19:21:00.000+12:002007-07-23T19:21:00.000+12:00At this Dutch site (link at bottom) the explanatio...At this Dutch site (link at bottom) the explanation of 'hilasterion' is as follows:<BR/><BR/>In the Hebrew the lid of the Ark of the Ark (the so-called 'reconciliation lid') is called: 'kaporeth'. In the Greek NT it is called: 'hilasterion'. Here too we see that 'hilasmos' covers the the Hebrew word 'kafar'. Remarkably that the Greek word would be etymologically related to 'hilaros ' (compare to our word hilarious), which means 'joy'. If we realise that the blood on the lid speaks of him who after his slaughtering has entered in the inner sanctuary, that association is not this way strange...<BR/><BR/>Romans 3.25; Hebrews 9:12<BR/><BR/>Link: http://www.goedbericht.nl/OT/Leviticus/17-kafar.html#hilasterion<BR/><BR/><BR/>The thought is here that the blood of the Lamb covers the sin of the world. No substitutional penalty but simply covering our sin with imperishable source of life.Michielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08707830325116242839noreply@blogger.com